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The 1972 edition of 'The Coaching Stock of British Railways' listed ten Gresley design and both of the Thompson design Buffet Cars as still being in use. Amazingly, with the exception of one of the Thompson Cars, all have survived. In addition to the ten Gresley design a further seventeen are listed which were built to the same diagrams but had been condemned before 1972.

LNER Thompson design Buffet Car 1706, now restored, is pictured at Carrog on the Llangollen Railway   Ivor Bufton

LNER Gresley design Buffet Car 9131, now restored with original identity of 643, is pictured at Bridgnorth on the Severn Valley Railway   Ivor Bufton

Built: 1948 Order number: 1197 Diagram: 352 Total: 2

Thompson design

Number Withdrawn Disposal
1705 1978/79 Transferred to Departmental Stock as Civil Engineers Staff Coach DB975881. Mayer Newman, Snailwell, Cambridgeshire, cut 1/89.
1706 1978/79 Transferred to Departmental Stock as Civil Engineers Staff Coach DB975882. Preserved at Steamtown Railway Centre, Carnforth, then to Llangollen Railway 1985.

LNER Gresley design Buffet Car 9128 in BR service at Stratford on 4th October 1970   Keith Gunner

LNER Gresley design Buffet Car 9128, now restored with original identity of 51769, is pictured at Holt on the North Norfolk Railway   Ivor Bufton

Built: 1935 Order number: 596 Diagram: 167 Total: 4

Gresley Design.

Number Withdrawn Disposal
9111 pre1968 Originally 21608. Disposed of from Old Oak Common p13/67
9112 pre1968 Originally 21609. Disposed of from Old Oak Common p11/67
9113 pre1968 Originally 21610. Disposed of from Old Oak Common p11/67
9114 pre1969 Originally 21611. Disposed of from Old Oak Common p10/68
Built: 1936 Order number: 702 Diagram: 167 Total: 4

Gresley Design

Number Withdrawn Disposal
9115 1976/77 Originally 24079. Preserved by Steam in Hereford at Bulmers Railway Centre, Hereford. Moved to Llangollen Railway, arrived 22/6/93, then to Mangapps Farm Railway Museum, then to Rowler Manor, Croughton, Northamptonshire.
9116 pre1972 Originally 24080. Transferred to Departmental Stock as Staff Changing Room DE321069 based at Perth, then to Internal User Stock as Staff Changing Room 096055 at Perth Carriage Sidings. Preserved at Great Central Railway, arrived 1995.
9117 1968 Originally 24081. Despatched to G. Cohen, Morriston, Swansea 20/12/69.
9118 1969 Originally 24082. Preserved at Buckinghamshire Railway Centre, Quainton Road, arrived 23/9/70. Moved to East Anglian Railway Museum 1977. Moved to Eastern Counties Railway C&W Works, Ovington, then to Epping & Ongar Railway.
Built: 1937 Order number: 761 Diagram: 167 Total: 16

Gresley Design

Number Withdrawn Disposal
9119 1968 Originally 24275. Recorded as disposed of from Southern Region 6/70 as an on site disposal at Selhurst. It was observed at Micheldever on 22nd March 1970 reduced to underframe. It is presumed that the bodywork was removed either at Micheldever, Selhurst or elsewhere and that the underframe was either scrapped on site at Micheldever or moved elsewhere, possibly Selhurst, for scrapping. Any further information would be welcomed.
9121 pre1972 Originally 24277. Bird Group, Bridgend 5/68
9122 1972/73 Originally 24278. Preserved at Bulmers Railway Centre, Hereford. Moved to East Anglian Railway Museum, then to Great Central Railway 1981.
9123 1972/73 Originally 24279. Preserved at Tyseley Locomotive Works. Moved to Rushden Station Museum, Northamptonshire.
9124 1973 Originally 24280. Preserved at Great Central Railway, arrived c11/73.
9125 pre1972 Originally 24281. Bird Group, Long Marston, Worcestershire arrived 15/1/68
9126 pre1972 Originally 32372.
9127 pre1972 Originally 43138. Bird Group, Risca 3/5/68
9128 1976/77 Originally 51769. Preserved by North Norfolk Railway, and moved to Victoria Coal Yard, Norwich, Norfolk 11/77, moved to North Norfolk Railway 12/79.
9129 1972/73 Originally 641. Preserved at Dart Valley Railway, Buckfastleigh 1/74. Moved to North Yorkshire Moors Railway 9/83.
9130 pre1972 Originally 642. Transferred to Departmental Stock as Painters Staff Coach DE321140 based at Penistone, renumbered ADB975079. Used as donor vehicle by Venice-Simplon Orient Express at Steamtown Railway Centre, Carnforth. Broken up on site 1983.
9131 1976/77 Originally 643. Preserved at Severn Valley Railway.
9132 1976/77 Originally 644. Preserved by Scottish Railway Preservation Society at Falkirk Goods Shed. Moved to Bo'ness & Kinneil Railway.
9133 pre1972 Originally 648. Transferred to Departmental Stock as DE321087.
9134 1968 Originally 649. Preserved at North Yorkshire Moors Railway, arrived 8/1969.
9135 1976/77 Originally 650. Preserved at National Railway Museum, York.
Built: 1939 Order number: 784 Diagram: 275 Total: 2

Gresley Design

Number Withdrawn Disposal
9195 1972/73 Originally 24287. Preserved at Steamtown Railway Centre, Carnforth, Lancashire. Moved to Stainmore Railway, Kirkby Stephen East.
9196 pre1972 Originally 24288.
Built: 1937 Order number: 761 Diagram: 167 Total: 1

Gresley Design

Not numbered in the 1943 series but if so would have been 9120

Number Withdrawn Disposal
24276 pre1972 xxxx